Cross Breeds - Inside of a 'breeders' mind.What do you think of this email that I received from a 'breeder' who breeds mutts?

Inside of a 'breeders' mind.What do you think of this email that I received from a 'breeder' who breeds mutts?

A few days ago, I asked a question concerning a breeder who breeds, and sells Mutts (Goldendoodles, comfort retrievers, etc...) for about $1,500. I emailed her, and was polite. I just asked why her prices were so high, when I could easily buy a purebred, or adopt from a shelter for much less. Of course, this person is Not a Repuatble breeder. No reputable breeder, would breed mutts. Am I right? Well, This is the email, I recieved from her: Our puppies come with a two year health guarantee for genetic defects, and breeder support for the life of the dog.You will not get this at a shelter at all. You take your dog/puppy home and that is it. Your shelter will give no help or support if/when your puppy/dog has behavioral problems or genetic defects that show up later. A cross-breed (not just a mixed breed) is bred for specific traits, and ours are bred using only the best quality adult/parent dogs, for temperament, sound health, specific sizes, specific coat types and high intelligence. You can get a mixed breed at the shelter but it was likely an accidental breeding (and you won't know exactly what's in the dog's background as far as what breeds it's comprised of, and you won't know what to expect for temperament or health... etc.). A crossbreed is bred to produce specific traits and qualities in the puppy. We provide the registration papers for the parent dogs and results of any genetic tests or exams that were done on the parent dogs for hip dysplasia, or genetic faults commonly found in that breed. If all you want is a mixed breed of unknown origin, then you can certainly find that at your shelter. You will not have any idea usually of what breeds are in the mixed breed puppy. There are issues such as temperament that can cause problems later on that are very expensive to "undo" with a trainer. Genetic faults that come up later on in the dog's life can be really expensive, like heart, retina, hip/joint problems......... so your cheap shelter dog could end up being very expensive. Or, it might not have any problems at all. You never know! But if you do have trouble, one thing is that the shelter will be no help at all - no guarantee, no support. Whereas a puppy that is a deliberate crossbreeding was done so for specific reasons, to produce a specific result. This is quite different from an accidental MIXED BREED puppy. The purebred dogs often have very serious genetic faults that are a result of poor breeding practices. This is one reason that the crossbreeds are popular - see our website on the Goldendoodle page where the "hybrid vigor" theory is explained. There are good breeders of purebreds and crossbreeds, and there are "poor quality" breeders of purebreds and crossbreeds. How do you feel about that email? Honestly, I felt like she isn't an animal lover. SOunds like she is just putting animals from shelters down. Saying they aren't good. Though, she is the one breeding mutts. I just felt really upset by this email. So, my legit question is, how do you feel about what she wrote? Like I said, she breeds 'designer' dogs, and then sells them for $1500 or more. Don't worry, I am definetly NOT buying from her! I would never buy a mutt from a 'breeder.' But, I am glad to see people feel the same as I. Thanks for all the great answers so far!

Public Comments

This lady is absurd. She needs to realize that these "Designer dogs" are just mutts. If stupid people would quit supporting these "breeders" and buying labradoodles, golden doodles, yorkie-poos, etc, these people would go out of business. Right now, they are just contributing to pet over population like every other irresponsible pet owner that doesn't get their pet spayed or neutered.
good breeders of crossbreeds (mutts) ... that has to be an oxymoron... right? She's just making excuses for being a BYB. This is my favorite part of her email: "Your shelter will give no help or support if/when your puppy/dog has behavioral problems or genetic defects that show up later" Um... isnt that the whole point of genetic testing and only breeding the best quality animals that promote the breed standard... so there arent any genetic defects? So she's already offering a service for when her dogs get those genetic defects??? LOL!
She's trying to make her point by beating it to death. How many ways can she possibly say the same thing? A friend of mine is a groomer and this thing is one of her biggest fights. There are people she won't have a thing to do with now because they started using their dogs as ATM's by force breeding them for profit. These are not purebred dogs either....they would be standard for their breeds but none woth papers. Some have gotten into doing mixed dogs - mutts - strickly based on the names of them. Doodle-this, Shih-that. They don't give a rats@$$ about the health issues. And probably, this 'breeder' you connected with didn't either. For someone to purposely breed dogs for that kind of money, has no love of animals, period. You aren't wrong. ***** Oh, that's cute. I got 6 thumbs down, when I was typing the message? That's pathetic! LOL ****
I got my dog from the SPCA and i love it it is a black lab and something MAYBE? but if you are looking for a great dog get anyone that is still a puppy a dog can be molded just like clay and its all about how YOU treat the dog not the temperament of its parents! haha... and that seems like a lot for a dog when you can save another dogs life by adopting or fostering!
I think she sounds like someone who takes her cross breeding too seriously. I agree that it makes no sense to ask $1500 for a labradoodle or any other cross breed. Especially when you can buy two quality purebred dogs and cross breed them yourself. Crazy.
I didn't read it all but they will say anything to make them sound better and to justify what they do. How can they guarantee a mutt I don't know.
She sounds like an idiot to me. Obviously not a breeder. I agree with the putting down animals from shelters thing. It hurts, especially since I have a dog from a shelter.
"Our puppies come with a two year health guarantee for genetic defects, and breeder support for the life of the dog." That's why they are $1500? Bullsnit..... If she's done all the tests and such....even with the guarantee....they shouldn't cost any more that any other "pet quality" purebred. You cannot show them... Am I right?
Sounds like she sells to pretentious people who want the coolest most fashionable pup and are willing to pay a lot for it. It's her right to sell the dogs for whatever she wants and her price (which seems pretty high) may be the going rate in your area. She is promoting her business as a superior place to shop over the shelter. Don't be offended, it's just business. Don't be fooled either, you can find a great dog at the shelter.
How can she provide anyone with a more healthy crossbred? This really gets to me. A good breeder will answer questions politely and honestly. They pick the owner, not the other way around! If people didnt buy from her then she wouldnt be able to continue on her work! I bred a litter once, i did it all properly. We had german shepherds and both parents were hip scored! We gave 1 years insurance, the puppies were vetted, wormed etc, fed proper puppy food, it was hard going and i doubt i will do it again! Puppies were also microchipped, the new owners signed a contract that if things didnt work out, that we had first refusal to re-buy the puppy back!
like you said she is in the business of making money.
I agree she is only in it for the money. she doesn't seem to love the animals and there are know papers for mutts the paper is probable worthless for that kind of money you can get a register pure bred dog with AKC papers.
I can kinda see her point. But the whole time I was reading this, I felt like she had very limited valid point and was just repeating them over and over in different areas. She sounds like she is trying to sell you on her method and her puppies. If you aren't comfortable w/her methods or how she comes across...don't purchase an animal from her. When I was looking for a puppy...I found a woman online. He prices were reasonable and I called her. She called me back and talked to me for an hour. She offered any help she could, told me even if I got a dog somewhere else (Which I did I go the one we wanted originally for a much higher rate at a pet store) she would always be there to answer and questions I had. You could tell her REALLY loved these dogs. Plus while we were on the phone she asked me different questions and I think she was trying to feel me out to see if she actually wanted me to have a puppy or not. Your person seems to just be pushing herself on you. Find someone you know really does care for the animals and will give you a decent price and someone you know has given these puppies a great life so far. Good Luck.
Oh my God! She doesn't sound like an animal lover. All dogs are the same. Purebreds can have diseases too. Mutts have a less likely chance. And who cares if you know what other breeds are in the dog. I certainly don't. I would suggest looking for another breeder or find a shelter. Good luck :)
Hold on---- I have to get my feet up the BS is getting deep. I can't believe she emailed you. I like the part about the purebreeds having serious genetic problems because of poor breeding.HAHHAHAHAHA. She is so full of BS her eyes must be brown
You are taking this whole mutt thing way too far my friend. What she is trying to get across to you is that her dogs have all of the proper health checks done, hips eyes, etc that most BYB do not do. There are many people looking for crossbreeds such as a poodle retriever cross and I honestly think if you are going to get one then you might as well get one from someone who is doing it right. She is correct in saying a shelter does not stand behind their dogs and guarantee their health. How could they without knowing their background? Shelter dogs could be very well bred, or "mistakes" as she puts it with numerous health problems which is much more likely then the latter. I wish people weren't so uppity about breeds anyway. "Breeds" haven't even been official breeds until VERY recent, only the past 250-300 years. Dogs have been domesticated and bred for THOUSANDS of years. For the majority of domesticated dogs history they were bred purely for a purpose, hunting, lap dogs, etc. and not for their coat quality. An AKC champion title on a golden retriever means nothing when the dog has hip problems and can't hunt worth a darn.
She is no animal lover. She is stupid thinking that they are "Designer Dogs". I do not support breeders when there are millions of homeless animals out there. Stupid breeders like here ruin the chances of those good pets being adopted. And I totally agree with Rotten Rots. I mean who the heck believes that all purebred dogs have genetic problems?
Any breeder who A) puts down the breeding practices of other breeders B) isn't completely for the idea of pound puppies C) isn't asking more questions about how good an owner YOU will be as opposed to talking about how good their pups are Should be put out of business. All very very bad signs that they are just in it for the $$$ - puppies are for love not for money. did you ask why the genetic defect guarantee is only two years? if pups are properly tested and from good stock then genetic defect guarantee should be lifetime! can't be very sure that problems wont arise if they only guarantee till the pup is 2!
She's definately brainwashed. She is that type of person that when she has something in her head it's not coming out. She has one point of view and nothing else. She is that kind of person who thinks she knows it all when she don't and she is that type of person who thinks that this is actual breeding that is responsible when it indeed is not. $1500, I mean come on, I don't even see how people would even buy from her. Someone that knows this person definately needs to do something and start talking to her customers telling them that they could indeed get a better dog for less the price.
I feel that this person "BELIEVES" that they are doing what is best by their dogs. They claim to do many test that may help in breeding a healthy dog. Whether or not they succeed, well, there will be as many opinions as there are responses to your questions. I feel that this person thinks that they are doing the right thing.
I think most of what she said is true. I see nothing wrong with crossing purebreds with a different breed to get a specific type of dog that there IS NO registered breed for. I have a mixed breed dog that I got at the shelter that is half golden retriever and half sheltie. He's the perfect dog for me, and the only way I'd be able to get another one like him is by breeding together a golden retriever and a sheltie. If there were ten other people out there who adored my dog and wanted one just like him, then all the other puppies would be spoken for, and there would be no problem in homing them. And since I would be the only place to GET these puppies, it's understandable that I would charge more money. This is why rare purebreds go for much more than commonly bred purebreds: precisely because they are RARE. The same holds true for mixed breeds bred to a specific type. To YOU they are a $150 mutt; to someone who is looking carefully for a well-bred, specific type of non-recognized breed dog, the dog is a $1500 dog. Everything she said about shelter mix breeds is true, but it's also true for shelter purebreds. You don't know how responsible the breeder was, you don't know if the parent dogs had hip dysplasia or eye problems, or overly aggressive behavior, or anything else. She is NOT specifically putting down shelter mixed-breeds; she is merely explaining the disadvantages and possible problems you may experience from buying a dog from the pound simply because you don't know their breeding. Specifically, but not exclusively, a mixed breed dog.
Only two words describes a person like this Lousy Breeder
What a crock of Sh**! My dog has genetic health clearances that last a LIFETIME! Anyone deliberately cross breeding dogs to produce a so-called *breed* with no purpose in mind except money (oh, and to say I breed *doodles*) and then charging exuburant prices is not only a Back Yard Breeder but a major scam artist. Praying on the gullible and un-educated. Send her another e-mail with a link to this page, let her read about what WE think!!!! (Just kidding).
Sorry, but I had to laugh, cross-breeds are DIFFERENT from mixed-breeds??!! Since when? Sorry to her, it's all the same, crossing breeds and not knowing what the puppies will be like AT ALL, it's what happens with ALL dog breed mixes. And as for these "designer" breeds benifiting from being "hybrids", that is absolute rubbish. It doesn't benefit them, and in the end ALL dogs, not just purebreds, can have genetic diseases, just purebred ones are more specific, as opposed to a mix which could have anything. Besides, RESPONSIBLE pure breeders don't breed dogs with a chance of disease, which is why hip scores are done. You know what's sad? This is the sort of bull they feed buyers, and what's worse is that the buyers believe it. You going to reply to the email, and tell her why every one of her facts is not true? Good on you for emailing her! I've got a good mind to do this to one of the nearest "designer" breeders.
I def. agree that she does not sound like an animal lover, and it does sound like she is putting down the animals in shelters while she is one of the people creating animal shelter over-population. In-fact not just animal shelter over-population, the whole world is getting over-populated with dogs, because of people like this woman, it sounds like she one more person to try to avoid, and try to get EVERYONE to avoid. I'm not a breeder, but thought that I would put my piece of mind in an answer.
This is all marketing Crock. Purebreds don't have more genetic issues, it is just that reputable breeders will list all the possible issues in their breed and test to avoid them, and inform potential buyers of the risks. Really good breeders also keep records for generations of all results from all pups they breed. I don't care if just the parents are "clear" I want to see the results for grand parents/ great grand parents, siblings, ect. If I adopt an adult mutt I can have him tested if I want and see if it has any issues that I can't deal with. No Good breeder would sell a purebred/registered breeding dog to anyone who was going to "mix" them. So the original purebred stock is substandard anyway. Many genetic issues don't show up until later in life, also, these guarantees often require surrendering the original dog. Something that most loving homes would never consider. This "clause" therefore makes this guarantee worthless. There is no difference between a "crossbred" and a "mixed bred" except in the marketing materials of these schisters. Hybrid vigor does not exist except in the cross between species not breeds. Cross bred = Crossing breeds not crossing species so the word Hybrid does not even apply. When crossing breeds you are basically throwing two different sets of genes in a bowl and picking what turns up like picking raffle tickets. You have absolutely no control over what you will get. So the "crossing" specifically for certain traits is false. Why else would they have 3 discriptions of "acceptable" coat types for a Golden doodle? What is so specific in that? The sad thing is, that like other marketing campains, the uneducated fall for this.